The Great Lithuanian, Russian and Jamoit Proncedom was the most literate country in the Medieval Europe. A huge bulk of archives existed in Warsaw, Vilnuis, St. Petersburg, London, Berlin and other cities. The Princedom left the biggest written legacy than any other medieval state. There were not only state documents, but a lot of private papers – business contracts, wills, letters, money receipts etc.
Just look, what language they used.
Its funny.
The city of Novogrudok was founded in 1044 by Kiev Prince Yaroslav the Wise.
After the decay of Kiev Rus in XII century it became a part of Lithuanian Kingdom, (later Princedom); Lithuanian King Mindog was crowned in 1253 in Novogrudok by official edict of Rome Pope Innocentius IV.
And so on…
Yes, it was under Polish rule during 20 years of ONE THOUSAND YEARS of its WRITTEN history.
And all these 1000 years the residents of the city spoke Russian, Ruski, Rusinski.
Yes, Poland was partitioned and SUDDENLY, in a span of 4.02323 seconds Polish language ceased to exist and everybody grabbed their hands and danced around singing in Russian.
I just make an interesting experiment to evaluate results of mass brainwashing.
Im stating basic, completely testified facts of WRITTEN history of Europe and then hear yelling of washed brains, “Stop your Bolshevik propaganda!”
These brains fill pain.
In 1794 those lands were included in Russian Empire according the agreement of 1795 between Russia, Prussia and Austria. Its a real, non-doubtful fact.
But washed brains fill pain of real facts.
To Mbeniowski:
Actually Belskies spoke Russian; it was the major language in Bielsky otriad.
This area was in the Russian Empire from 1794. Then for a short time, 1919-1939, it was under Polish rule, then again Soviets came.
Therefore, all adults, who were elder than twenty, spoke fluent Russian because their parents and grandparents did.
Tuvia was 35, born 1906.
To Mbeniowski:
Actually Belskies spoke Russian; it was the major language in Bielsky otriad.
This area was in the Russian Empire from 1794. Then for a short time, 1919-1939, it was under Polish rule, then again Soviets came.
Therefore, all adults, who were elder than twenty, spoke fluent Russian because their parents and grandparents did.
Tuvia was 35, born 1906.
But in terms of fighting on the Western Front their performance was only marginally better than the British. Britain in particular was led by slow and ponderous generals who knew little of modern warfare. All the best generals came from Germany or the USSR (Zhukov, Rommel, Konev, von Manstein etc). The USA made it impossible for the Allies to lose because of their massive industrial might, but Russia did more to actually win the war. Read ‘Armageddon’ by Max Hastings! I am British too!
I don’t understand this, firstly there is very little truly concrete evidence which decidedly proves that Bielsky took part in the massacre of innocent Poles. Secondly what is this argument about the US and Britain being key in WW2? The USSR inflicted 90% of German casualties in the war. Britain did nothign for 2 years then eventually beat Germany in N Africa when they massively outnumbered them in mem and supplies. The US’ aid to USSR was invaluable.
Morning everybody. I’ve noticed my historically uneducated friends can’t help praising the film despite it’s a lie. I can’t help but wonder who is next to be portrayed as a hero. Maybe Hitler? Stalin? There are quite a few folks waiting for their autobiographies to be corrected and cleaned. So, dear Hollywood artists, don’t let them wait.
Excuse, but haven’t you forgot about the American aid to Soviet Union?
“American aid to the Soviet Union between 1941 and 1945 amounted to 18 million tons of materiel at an overall cost of $10 billion ($120 billion modern)”
If it wasn’t for that help, there would be little or no resistance for the Soviet Union.
80% of Nazi losses and 75% of Nazi tank losses occurred on the Eastern front, in reality neither the US or the UK had a large effect on the outcome of WWII it was primarily a conflict between Germany and Russia.
mushashi71 said
January 22 2009 @ 9:53 pm
Its all nonsense
mushashi71 said
January 22 2009 @ 9:53 pm
jews dont even engage hard work let alone to take hard gun and shoot to someone:)
mushashi71 said
January 22 2009 @ 9:53 pm
Rabii accepted this or not
mushashi71 said
January 22 2009 @ 9:53 pm
Is this movie has a cosher certificate. bunch of nerds
siff1967 said
January 22 2009 @ 9:53 pm
The Great Lithuanian, Russian and Jamoit Proncedom was the most literate country in the Medieval Europe. A huge bulk of archives existed in Warsaw, Vilnuis, St. Petersburg, London, Berlin and other cities. The Princedom left the biggest written legacy than any other medieval state. There were not only state documents, but a lot of private papers – business contracts, wills, letters, money receipts etc.
Just look, what language they used.
zionsuxass said
January 22 2009 @ 9:53 pm
“deep historical backround”
Umm…. puzzled here. Are you talking about ‘Defiance’?
zionsuxass said
January 22 2009 @ 9:53 pm
Talking to you is as exciting as talking to a potato bag and as hopeless.
Whatever source, those regions are ALWAYS connected to Poland, since medieval times, period. Your bolshevik crap won’t change a thing here.
mushashi71 said
January 22 2009 @ 9:53 pm
This movie has a deep historical backround:), maybe they do something about warsaw ghetto uprising, which I agree was herocic and worth to see
siff1967 said
January 22 2009 @ 9:53 pm
Its funny.
The city of Novogrudok was founded in 1044 by Kiev Prince Yaroslav the Wise.
After the decay of Kiev Rus in XII century it became a part of Lithuanian Kingdom, (later Princedom); Lithuanian King Mindog was crowned in 1253 in Novogrudok by official edict of Rome Pope Innocentius IV.
And so on…
Yes, it was under Polish rule during 20 years of ONE THOUSAND YEARS of its WRITTEN history.
And all these 1000 years the residents of the city spoke Russian, Ruski, Rusinski.
zionsuxass said
January 22 2009 @ 9:53 pm
You’re right with one thing: Nowogrodek was a capital, but not of Belarus, but POLISH voivodship – Wojewodztwo Nowogrodzkie.
Do your ears hear something?
Yes, that’s my loud laughter at your bolshevik crap.
siff1967 said
January 22 2009 @ 9:53 pm
Not suddenly, not seconds, but during more than one century, full 19th century.
And not Polish, but Belarusian.
Actually Novogrudok was Belarusian capital in Middle Ages. Is your brain fill painy again?
zionsuxass said
January 22 2009 @ 9:53 pm
Yes, Poland was partitioned and SUDDENLY, in a span of 4.02323 seconds Polish language ceased to exist and everybody grabbed their hands and danced around singing in Russian.
Knock, knock is anybody home?
siff1967 said
January 22 2009 @ 9:53 pm
I just make an interesting experiment to evaluate results of mass brainwashing.
Im stating basic, completely testified facts of WRITTEN history of Europe and then hear yelling of washed brains, “Stop your Bolshevik propaganda!”
These brains fill pain.
In 1794 those lands were included in Russian Empire according the agreement of 1795 between Russia, Prussia and Austria. Its a real, non-doubtful fact.
But washed brains fill pain of real facts.
Azriela13 said
January 22 2009 @ 9:53 pm
Is Daniel Craig jewish?
zionsuxass said
January 22 2009 @ 9:53 pm
Dude, stop that bullshit! It’s annoying…
gabba1gabba1hey said
January 22 2009 @ 9:53 pm
without germany battling the Allies on all fronts, they would have much more forces to send to Russia, and would have crushed them.
However i have the utmost respect for the average Russian soldier. There was no better.
they had garbage leaders though, sadly.
siff1967 said
January 22 2009 @ 9:53 pm
To Mbeniowski:
Actually Belskies spoke Russian; it was the major language in Bielsky otriad.
This area was in the Russian Empire from 1794. Then for a short time, 1919-1939, it was under Polish rule, then again Soviets came.
Therefore, all adults, who were elder than twenty, spoke fluent Russian because their parents and grandparents did.
Tuvia was 35, born 1906.
siff1967 said
January 22 2009 @ 9:53 pm
To Mbeniowski:
Actually Belskies spoke Russian; it was the major language in Bielsky otriad.
This area was in the Russian Empire from 1794. Then for a short time, 1919-1939, it was under Polish rule, then again Soviets came.
Therefore, all adults, who were elder than twenty, spoke fluent Russian because their parents and grandparents did.
Tuvia was 35, born 1906.
DRACHIR88 said
January 22 2009 @ 9:53 pm
wow i really like this movie so educational :]
StyxLT said
January 22 2009 @ 9:53 pm
I assume it was filmed in Lithuania because it has beautiful forests. I don’t like History based movies but this.. It was amazing.. Good Job folks!
villaforeva said
January 22 2009 @ 9:53 pm
But in terms of fighting on the Western Front their performance was only marginally better than the British. Britain in particular was led by slow and ponderous generals who knew little of modern warfare. All the best generals came from Germany or the USSR (Zhukov, Rommel, Konev, von Manstein etc). The USA made it impossible for the Allies to lose because of their massive industrial might, but Russia did more to actually win the war. Read ‘Armageddon’ by Max Hastings! I am British too!
villaforeva said
January 22 2009 @ 9:53 pm
I don’t understand this, firstly there is very little truly concrete evidence which decidedly proves that Bielsky took part in the massacre of innocent Poles. Secondly what is this argument about the US and Britain being key in WW2? The USSR inflicted 90% of German casualties in the war. Britain did nothign for 2 years then eventually beat Germany in N Africa when they massively outnumbered them in mem and supplies. The US’ aid to USSR was invaluable.
ma0ed said
January 22 2009 @ 9:53 pm
Morning everybody. I’ve noticed my historically uneducated friends can’t help praising the film despite it’s a lie. I can’t help but wonder who is next to be portrayed as a hero. Maybe Hitler? Stalin? There are quite a few folks waiting for their autobiographies to be corrected and cleaned. So, dear Hollywood artists, don’t let them wait.
WielkiZielonyMelon said
January 22 2009 @ 9:53 pm
Excuse, but haven’t you forgot about the American aid to Soviet Union?
“American aid to the Soviet Union between 1941 and 1945 amounted to 18 million tons of materiel at an overall cost of $10 billion ($120 billion modern)”
If it wasn’t for that help, there would be little or no resistance for the Soviet Union.
Google “American aid to Soviet Union”.
terencedavidson73 said
January 22 2009 @ 9:53 pm
80% of Nazi losses and 75% of Nazi tank losses occurred on the Eastern front, in reality neither the US or the UK had a large effect on the outcome of WWII it was primarily a conflict between Germany and Russia.